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[ceylon]

no proper courts

yes so far so good

they pass it on to a different bailiff and it starts again

[interstellarmedium]

against a strawman joined with no physical man willing to wear the strawman overcoat, & so no strawman joined with no man joined to no residential address?

are you talking about courts concerning council tax?

if so, what are the implications of that for a tennant or homeowner?

have you tried ANRRTS? at all? if so, what with,



what happens with your council tax liability ceylon, after the private bailiff passes it back to the council because he has received your denial of implied rights of access with your fee schedule, and doesnt want to touch it? what actions do the council then take? i havent seen you address this bit of what happens next??

no proper courts

yes so far so good

they pass it on to a different bailiff and it starts again

I can only really make sense of the last line of your reply, in terms of how i think it corresponds to my post.

I am not saying ANRRTS is necessarily an approach that will work with non statutory offences, or statutory offences involving the police such as motoring offences, but then show me a motoring offences remedy out there right now that works........i have not seen any.


So your council tax liability gets passed onto a new bailiff and the process continues for you, which as you have stated b4 involves keeping your house doors and windows locked at all times just in case a bailiff invites themselves in. If i have to live in fear locked in my own house, not able to let fresh air in, THIS IS NOT A SUCCESSFUL REMEDY, it is an ONGOING UNRESOLVED PROBLEM. Do you agree?

[ceylon]

i never said i keep mine locked i just sugest the less aware do. i have never had a bailiff and if one ever turned up i would arrest him so why should i need to keep everything locked up?

your very negative why not have a break things seem to be getting you down

[interstellarmedium]

i never said i keep mine locked i just sugest the less aware do. i have never had a bailiff and if one ever turned up i would arrest him so why should i need to keep everything locked up?

your very negative why not have a break things seem to be getting you down

why even enter into correspondence with bailiffs when you can return their letters ANRRTS?

[interstellarmedium]

ceylon

so you ignore all council letters regarding council tax, then wait for the council to pass the alledged liability onto a private bailiff, correct?

Then you suddenly present the private bailiff with your strawman confirming that is your strawmans name, you the physical man are at the specified home address under dispute (although you may set the name as mike of the family carling, but not much difference) but include a fee schedule, so in effect are saying to the private bailiff yes this is MR STRAWMAN at the said residential address, just as the council thought, but i am not paying, i do not consent to you visiting my address, if you do it will cost you £5000 as per my fee schedule. Correct?

thus admitting to the private bailiff and the council as word gets back to the council, when the private bailiff gives up on it, that effectively yes i am strawman and i reside at said address, and the alledged liability belongs to my strawman.
why admit to this?
wont this lead to a never ending merry go round of bailiff letters and threats, passes back to council, new bailiffs sending letters and more threats, and having to send off fee schedule after fee schedule?

why not just send all Council letters back ANRRTS, and the likelihood is it wont even get passed onto a bailiff, as the council would want to be sure what strawman lived at the address first - hence mescalitos and buzzlightyears NEW OCCUPANT request for strawman detail forms they received after doing ANRRTS. But even if after ANRRTS all council correspondence does lead to private bailiff letters to your strawman, if you ANRRTS the private bailiff letters, the private bailliff can do nothing, surely, as they cant be sure who lives there?

[ceylon]

no your wrong again.

and stop saying i said this and i said that, i will tell you what i say when i want.

now go back to your troll life

[Gelhi]

I think one has to be very astute when dealing with this, ANRRTS does have its value in preventing joinder but only if you are able to prevent the parasites getting your strawman another way, if you are a previous occupant or are known as occupant from the electoral roll or on benefits etc i sugest they will just carry on the sham process and fire away with a liability order, in fact i know they do as i have seen it happen and they have no problem using fraud to get joinder anyway, i have even had them sue me for a liability i paid out on and was able to prove i paid out on it, they wont mind resorting to plain fraud and criminality i assure you.

That said i think as long as they cant joinder with you its happy days, its just i dont like seeing this banded about without due diligence

You could just say that "title" doesnt live here if they come knocking and asking, and inform them to leave or you will report them for harrasment.
My concern is the police as a lot of them dont know the law and tend to go with the bailiff, maybe thats what should be worked on, dealing with the police as ultimately they have the power to either do the right thing and arrest the private bailiff or be dickheads and back up the private bailiff and in some cases arrest you (yes they are that bad).

The other method if you are confident enough and stern enough to stand youre ground against private bailiffs then yes denial of access and fee schedule them once they have found you but personally i would end up losing my temper with them regularly spoiling my peace and quiet and eventually cause a bailiff some injury, by the way if they ever enter your property uninvited i would take them down straight away (hard)they wont have time to identify themselves, well you thought he was a burglar didnt you !

[interstellarmedium]

I think one has to be very astute when dealing with this, ANRRTS does have its value in preventing joinder but only if you are able to prevent the parasites getting your strawman another way, if you are a previous occupant or are known as occupant from the electoral roll or on benefits etc i sugest they will just carry on the sham process and fire away with a liability order, in fact i know they do as i have seen it happen and they have no problem using fraud to get joinder anyway, i have even had them sue me for a liability i paid out on and was able to prove i paid out on it, they wont mind resorting to plain fraud and criminality i assure you.

That said i think as long as they cant joinder with you its happy days, its just i dont like seeing this banded about without due diligence

You could just say that "title" doesnt live here if they come knocking and asking, and inform them to leave or you will report them for harrasment.
My concern is the police as a lot of them dont know the law and tend to go with the bailiff, maybe thats what should be worked on, dealing with the police as ultimately they have the power to either do the right thing and arrest the private bailiff or be dickheads and back up the private bailiff and in some cases arrest you (yes they are that bad).

The other method if you are confident enough and stern enough to stand youre ground against private bailiffs then yes denial of access and fee schedule them once they have found you but personally i would end up losing my temper with them regularly spoiling my peace and quiet and eventually cause a bailiff some injury, by the way if they ever enter your property uninvited i would take them down straight away (hard)they wont have time to identify themselves, well you thought he was a burglar didnt you !

Well they do that anyway dont they?

if on benefits you will most likely get council tax benefit.

[Gelhi]

yes of course.

[interstellarmedium]

yes of course.

So maybe just as effective a method to ANRRTS'ing all council and bailiff mail, would be to simply ignore all council and bailiff mail, then if the bailiff turns up at the door, do not identify yourself as the strawman, remain anonymous.