DWP social fund repayment

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Re: DWP social fund repayment

Postby adamlaughton » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:41 pm

Hi Enough,

so in a nutshell "money" has no value other then that decided by the government?- thats not news is it?

I don't class myself as blinkered, but can't see what your driving at? OK so its only paper, and it could be worth zip tomorrow.. I've got none, so its not really that much of a concern, but i will gladly take your "not-real" money off your hands if its causing you upset. ;)

In all seriousness, I do have friends who are obsessed with this "only buy gold" and "swap your car for a lump of silver" stuff- but am far too long in the tooth to care.

But thanks for pointing out what i was missing, and i will actually have a read up and come back here as you seem like a tuned in bunch of folk. :)
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Re: DWP social fund repayment

Postby smilingalltheway » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:07 am

hey adam, if you can find out exactly, how the money from the social fund is created that would be useful. though i have some thoughts on this already.


and i realised what you meant by pot, but not convinced the money comes from taxation or that taxation collected by hmir is actually used to fund the countries needs or the social fund.


so in a nutshell "money" has no value other then that decided by the government?- thats not news is it?


the people give it a perceived value, without realising that whoever controls it, controls them too...then when the shit hits the fan, the realirty dawns on them.... it happened to me.


I don't see it reasonable to pay for the social fund for a few reasons.
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Re: DWP social fund repayment

Postby iwanttolearn » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:04 am

I think its possible the government social fund is acting as a bank and our signature is used in the same way as banks use to obtain money, we apply for a crisis loan, sign for it (promisory note) and well the rest is history.
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Re: DWP social fund repayment

Postby adamlaughton » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:39 am

Good morning smillingalltheway.

I am reasonably open to conspiracy theories, and have red up on the illuminati, bilderburg group and even - at times- like david Ike's wardrobe choices.

As you have asked the same question 3 times, I can only presume that its part of some in-joke that I'm not getting? or that there is something in the premium account ( that asks for money?) that I had missed, however as I'm off work for the day I will endeavour to indulge you.

" if you can find out exactly, how the money from the social fund is created that would be useful"

Paper money ( nudge nudge, wink wink- its not really just paper!!) is crafted from the dead husks of slain members of the cotton community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_paper

This is then printed upon using a special marking substance that is commonly dubbed, ink ( but who controls the ink!!?), once marked, the paper money is dried by the breath of angels (read wind, air), and transported by the minions of the establishment, to pre designated holding areas to be released in small waves when deemed necessary by the dark overlord Mervyn King ( well, his darkness depends on where he's been on holiday).

Some of this paper money (*nudges the dog, who is ROFL*) is released from the obscure, and heavily fortified void (read Bank) by unsuspecting souls, who accept that the numbers on the paper money ( the dog still laughing! ) mean that they can swap it for something else.

The something else- lets say a house? has sod all value, other than that given to it by market trends, but thats fine as the paper money is simply intended as a marker, or token that can later be exchanged for another house, or anything else that has less perceived value.

Personally, I think that this is a reasonably convenient method of exchange- and an improvement on the cows and pigs that were given intrinsic value in pre history and traded in a similar way- don't you?

I think that any exchange mechanism, when converting one "token" for another is going to have some fluctuations, natural or otherwise, however limiting the number of people who can set/change/alter that value is a good thing.

Imagine if we still all used gold as a standard, but then realised that we could render gold out of cow dung? we would all have a herd of cows, and gold would literally be worth sh*te.

So the paper money, or simply the token ( as the paper money is intended to represent) - *the dog walks out of the room* she's clearly heard this one too many times.. is swapped around, for services or goods and some of these token are diverted toward the Government by several mechanisms, one of which is taxation.

The tokens are represented on other bits of real paper, and swapped from one sheet to another- some is swapped to the social fund sheet.

When people apply for a social fund loan the token is given to them- they then exchange that particular token for goods and services, that they decide that they are in crisis if they are without.

This leaves the Social Fund sheet lacking in tokens.
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Re: DWP social fund repayment

Postby smilingalltheway » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:26 pm

no adam, i'm not talking about moneys production


I'm talking about the figure or "millions" they've put in this pot.

exactly where does this come from?


the accounting, where does the "millions" they put in the pot come from?


what are the backend criteria required for accessing this funding.

I know you need the NI number for this, so theres obviously some connection, but lets get to the bottom of this.

If you don't know thats fine too.
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Re: DWP social fund repayment

Postby adamlaughton » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:29 pm

My guess is this.

The Government have a budget ( an amount of money in the millions/billions) that is raised from several sources, including taxation, national insurance and a combination of other levies and fines - there may be more sources of income, like europe or loans to other countries but i have no idea about any of those, and don't have the inclination to research them.

From this budget, they allocate amounts of money, or promises to pay to separate departments, with the intention that it is spent in the upkeep, running and administration of the core business, along with any financial burden the business incurs throughout that budget period.

The Social Fund is part of the Department for work and Pensions, therefore the money allocated to the social fund comes from the money allocated to the DWP that was originally raised, printed, conjured by the government.

The National Insurance link seems pretty straight forward, as loans are limited to £1500.00 per household, and also limited to 3 in a year ( as far as I can tell), and are also generally given to those on benefits ( that are administered using National Insurance numbers) it seems logical that there is a method of keeping track of who a loan has been paid to, and who has not- as NI numbers are supposed to be unique, this seems like a good a place as any to start with any ID verification- don't you think?

I hope you don't mind, but that has got me thinking and I would love to know what you think is going on, and why you don't seem to want to accept that the government raise or print money and have a mechanism in place to lend that to folk who need it?
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Re: DWP social fund repayment

Postby smilingalltheway » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:09 pm

I hope you don't mind, but that has got me thinking and I would love to know what you think is going on, and why you don't seem to want to accept that the government raise or print money and have a mechanism in place to lend that to folk who need it?



as far as i know the national debt has nothing to do with taxation, and they are not interested in lowering it or ever paying it back.
so far all we have made is assumptions about how the government has raised this money, and i don't think the government has "raised this money". i think it runs far deeper than that.


I'm not saying they don't have a mechanism, i'm saying theyve not told us what that mechanism exactly is......
and i don't think it's money raised from taxes either.


thing is they've made everyone dependant on it, if there is a so called mechanism to print money, then why not just have a few printing machines going 24/7 to bulk print..... and if they are just printing it, what is their need to lend it?

surely that would be a selfish excercise, to control the flow of it in any way, much like the banks do.

anyhow if anyone does eventually find out where it comes from then do share
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Re: DWP social fund repayment

Postby Bobby1 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:16 pm

Just noticed that i have stimulated a little debate.
Adam appears to be fully behind everything the government does and stands for. I respect his and everyone's views.
In a very short time, I have come to the conclusion that money is an illusion and a very clever control mechanism. I was at one time controlled by it. I now view money completely different.
The social fund, i believe the money from this 'fund' is created by application...the applicants owns signature. The word 'fund' gives the illusion there is an account with deposit.
The Demand from the DWP also provides a remedy in the form of a bank giro credit slip which only needs to be endorsed by my sister and the debt is cleared.


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Re: DWP social fund repayment

Postby smilingalltheway » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:39 pm

in case it goes to a DCA, or you'd like another option

this is what i've used:
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/v ... ocial+fund
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Re: DWP social fund repayment

Postby polo126 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:33 pm

Hi smiling made an interesting thread but adam could not think out side the constraints of his working life and indoctrination into the system :D
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