A4V explained

[ceylon]

i have never had any thing sent back EVER

[exdrogadgy]

i have never had any thing sent back EVER

Exactly Ceylon, that is the trick with this.

[jonnythrombosis]

they gave me notice that they are going to try for a warrant & told me which court - is it a good idea to place my evidence in the court before they do this?

- as to what i did i tried guy euden's a4v & dave murphy's with this company - i also did the guy euden on the gas & had already switched supplier & they threatened to pass it to a debt collector back in july 2011 but so far haven' which tells me they can't - also did a4v with aphone company they threatened debt collection then didn't do a thing july 2011 again - i did it with water at the same time they threatened debt collection then just waited & added it to the new bill which came a week or so ago - i'm now challenging them on the fact that the tap water is unfit for human consumption & for human hygiene due to chemical additives also used my copyright notice & pointed out they medication without consent clause & am threatening to invoice them for bottled water & an advanced water filtration system

i'll tell you about the cuntcil tax some other time - ("is that the lo'al cuntcil or the cunty cuntcil? "enquired geordie mate said he was gonna report me to a cuntstable - to which i replied "would that be a police cuntstable or the chief cuntstable?")

actually the cuntcil tax is what i'll tell you about - coming soon

[exdrogadgy]

Hi Jonnythrombosis

I will follow your cases with "Renewed Vinegar" as Nellie (Hilda Baker) once said in Nearest and Dearest. Seriously, good luck.

One thing though, why do they feel the need to tell you about the warrant? Scare tactics, methinks.

[deethebee]

i have never had any thing sent back EVER

Exactly Ceylon, that is the trick with this.

I don't think it matters that they sent back the promissory note. They have not sent back the BGC, which means they have accepted payment anyway. Did you use the letter constructed by Ceylon? In the one he sent me he outlines that if the BGC is not returned then this means that they have accepted it for value.

I am a bit confused still though...if we send 2 forms of payment, this doesn't show that we are aware that the BGC can be used as payment anyway. Surely it makes it look like we believe the note is the payment? And even though I understand they are technically getting paid twice, shouldn't we be showing that they have no right to be getting paid twice? Not that they even deserve to get paid once. I know a promissory note covers all bases - it just seems like it makes it easier for them to send back the promissory note and claim they have not accepted our form of payment. I also don't really get what the £10 admin fee is for. In the Dave Murphy video, it sounds like they would be using the cheque or our payment as admin fee.

[exdrogadgy]

"I don't think it matters that they sent back the promissory note. They have not sent back the BGC, which means they have accepted payment anyway. Did you use the letter constructed by Ceylon? In the one he sent me he outlines that if the BGC is not returned then this means that they have accepted it for value."

Yes i used Ceylon's letter. I think people should use their own letter and their own approach if they want to. I put my faith in Ceylon for now as i have no experience of this procedure at all. We can all learn from each other and i appreciate the feedback i am getting. The more people that use these procedures the better and they can think what they like. Time will tell which approach has the best answer and i see what you mean about sending two forms of mate. In sending two forms of payment their might be some double-bluffing going on.

[deethebee]

"I don't think it matters that they sent back the promissory note. They have not sent back the BGC, which means they have accepted payment anyway. Did you use the letter constructed by Ceylon? In the one he sent me he outlines that if the BGC is not returned then this means that they have accepted it for value."

Yes i used Ceylon's letter. I think people should use their own letter and their own approach if they want to. I put my faith in Ceylon for now as i have no experience of this procedure at all. We can all learn from each other and i appreciate the feedback i am getting. The more people that use these procedures the better and they can think what they like. Time will tell which approach has the best answer and i see what you mean about sending two forms of mate. In sending two forms of payment their might be some double-bluffing going on.

Yeah I mean, even though Ceylon's letter says that if they don't return the BGC then they have accepted payment, it's going to be hard to explain why we've sent 2 forms of payment if we believe them to both be forms of payment. I tend to analyse these things and think about what if I did end up on court and I was told, "The company sent back your promissory note, so why are you insisting that they have accepted your payment?" and if I then said, "The BGC and the promissory note are both forms of payment" they would then ask me why I sent 2 payments and I wouldn't really know the answer. If it's just for an admin fee like Dave says in his video, then just a £10 promissory note should suffice...?

But at the same time, watching that video, someone asked Dave who pays the company that money from the BGC slip if it doesn't come from us and his response was, "It doesn't matter". But these are very big accusations to make against these companies and we should all know as much as we can. I don't want to be sitting there telling other people and have them ask me, "Well how do you know? And where does that money come from then since utility companies don't have the authority to create money?" and I don't have the answers. I support this movement 100%, but I want to know all the facts and proof to arm myself against these people otherwise I'd be just as bad as these people who believe in God and preach things that they have no proof of.

[exdrogadgy]

Hi Dee

The Dave Murphy video is unfinished, so, hopefully the other part will be uploaded sometime soon and things will be more clearer.

exdrogadgy

[deethebee]

Yeah hopefully, although from the comments it doesn't look likely haha!

He also seems to start steering towards debt collection companies at the end so I dunno if there would be anymore to explain about the A4V process, but Ceylon's method is a little different. It's confusing when you just don't really know which method is best.

For me, I think I will go with Ceylon's method because even though I don't fully understand everything, I think most bases are covered. The letter says that keeping the BGC means they have accepted payment and I can always claim the promissory note is just for admin costs since that's what Dave says they use the customer's money for anyway!

Good luck and I'll be keeping an eye on how you get on with things. I'll also post if I have any news

[jonnythrombosis]

sorry for appearing thick - i am constrained by time at present - first what is the BGC ( i hate abbreviations) & secondly where where can i find ceylon's method explained methodically - in the way the the bank stuff is explained? - sorry for being a pain! jonny