Lloyds again and other C/C's

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Lloyds again and other C/C's

Postby I am B » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:06 pm

Hello there again-i did do a newbie hello yesterday but my post isnt up yet. This site is brilliant and ive been wading my way through a lot of it and its given me the courage to face some stuff head on. OK, firstly ive just last week entered a DMP with CCCS which includes 4 c/c,s. They wouldnt take on 2 others and the Lloyds loan because they had the word "business" in/on them even though im just a sole trader (way under vat threshold). Anyway, ive decided to start the process by sending Lloyds the first letter-ive not defaulted on it yet but they put me into an unauthorised o/d on my current account (only used to repay the loan-i have a private current account elsewhere). The other 2 credit cards not in the DMP are not in default yet but will be in about a week. Since coming across the wealth of info on here and sites like tpuc and lawful rebellion im beginning to wish i hadnt entered a dmp but i guess i can halt it at any time and begin the process with the c/c's in the DMP.
Im wondering whether im doing this the right way ie staring with Lloyds first or do you think it might be better to bite the bullet and fire off 7 letters to them all?
The other thing is-and i hope you dont mind me asking-but ive been reading other posts and there is mention of "Ceylon's extra bits!!" when sending out the template letters. Now im worried in case i should include these "extras" as i was under the impression the templates were adequate. I would really appreciate some advice as im new to all this but am definately going to get letter 1 off to LTSB.
Very many thanks for the help so far that ive found while reading the forum. "B" :)
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Re: Lloyds again and other C/C's

Postby I am B » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:11 am

I know this might sound like a really stupid question, but do you think it is ok to hand write the "process" letters? The reason i ask is because ive only got a
small laptop as i moved into a caravan recently so no printer or anything-not even a "proper" address although i use a mail forwarder with a legit address specifically for NFA and caravan, boat, van dwellers. Anyway, thats by the by-do you think its ok to handwrite?
Sorry for all these questions, but really want to get this right.
One other thing, should i do separate letters for the 2 accounts at LTSB (the loan and the unauthorised O/D they made me have by still transferring the loan payment over)?
Thank you!! "B"
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Re: Lloyds again and other C/C's

Postby montana2 » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:35 am

A handwritten letter is actually MUCH better than a print out as it has more power than a print out.

I cant help on the rest though, sorry!
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Re: Lloyds again and other C/C's

Postby I am B » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:05 pm

montana2 wrote:A handwritten letter is actually MUCH better than a print out as it has more power than a print out.

I cant help on the rest though, sorry!
Cheers for that montana2 :) . I had a feeling that was the case because in a previous life when i knew no better (35 years ago!) i used to work for natwest and all the "good" stuff had to be hand written!
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Re: Lloyds again and other C/C's

Postby I am B » Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:40 am

I just sent off the first letter to LTSB today-the ones on the new site and have been reading through lots of other stuff on here.
One thing im not to sure of is whether for a bank/CCC you send an estoppel letter after 30 days of letter 3 going in if they go "quiet"? I notice on the new site that the estoppel is for a DCA only and im sure i read somewhere on here that "Vaj" said an estoppel to a bank is useless and theyll know you dont know what youre doing.
Would appreciate some advice on this if possible please. Cheers!

Ive decided to do the process one at a time as im new to all this so am currently still in the DMP with the other cards. Thanks again.
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Re: Lloyds again and other C/C's

Postby I am B » Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:32 pm

Im sending letter 3 off tomorrow to Lloyds and just picked up my post from the mail forwarder. In it was a reply to letter 1 from Lloyds in an envelope with no return address addressed to my old address from last year despite them having my new one.
I guess its the usual crap but i'll put it up anyway for info. Any comments would be appreciated also :D

"I write regarding your letter to Eric Daniels dated xxxx concerning the above agreement.

I am advised by our legal department that, under English law we are under no obligation to provide you with either the information or the documentation you request. In these circumstances, I will not reply specifically to matters point by point. This is not and cannot be construed as acceptance of the terms you have suggested.

We consider that our agreement with you is valid. Under the terms of that agreement, to which you agreed, you are obliged to make the monthly payments. If you do not do so, we may have no option but to instruct our solicitors to issue proceedings to enforce the agreement.

Given the contents of your letter, i am concerned that you may be obtaining advice as to your legal rights from a third party or internet web site. If followed, it is entirely possible that this will cause you to breach the terms of your agreement.

You may have, for example, received misleading advice based on a purported procedure under the Bills of Exchange Act 1882 ("the Act"). If this is the case and you intend to rely on any such advice, please note that your agreement or any request for payment under that agreement is not a bill of exchange. Further, your request for documentation is incapable in English Law of creating a liability by the bank and will not become a valid bill of exchange. Finally, the Act does not give any authority to any person, other than the courts, to make an award against us. Any award purportedly created by anything other than the court has no validity in English Law. If in error the Court makes an order permitting the enforcement of such an award, we will apply to set aside the award and the order and also ask the court to make the person who applied the order to enforce, responsible for the costs of our application to be set aside.

Should you intend following the above course, we recommend that you seek independant advice.

Please treat this as our final decision on the matter."
PS Eric says do you want to buy any cheap LTSB shares on the QT?

It seems theyve gone into it a bit or is it just standard? Anyway, letter 3 goes tomorrow. As theyve ignored my notice of a new address from last June im sending the letter back "Return to Sender" ( after taking a copy). Is this an OK course of action?
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Re: Lloyds again and other C/C's

Postby ceylon » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:13 am

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Re: Lloyds again and other C/C's

Postby I am B » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:06 am

ceylon wrote:yes
Thanks Ceylon; its very reassuring to get straight to the point support! This is my first foray into this and yours and everyone elses comments on the forum have given me the confidence to see it through. Thanks again :D
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Re: Lloyds again and other C/C's

Postby ceylon » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:52 pm

just dont let anything throw you they lie cheat and steal be ready for it
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Re: Lloyds again and other C/C's

Postby I am B » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:23 pm

ceylon wrote:just dont let anything throw you they lie cheat and steal be ready for it
Thank you again-i will stick to my guns on this. If i get anything back after letter 2 or 3 i'll post it on here. It takes me about 10 days to eventually get my post due to living in a van and having it forwarded, hence it took a few days to get that letter they sent. Thank you for your support.
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