Disconnection? Is it the end?

[robfreeman]

Hi all ,just come across some great info regarding if your services get disconnected by the providers,and what THEN happens,some of you may already know this,but I didn't.I am looking at having my gas supply disconnected in the next 2 or 3 weeks by S.S.E. if their threatened court hearing for an - app for warrant of entry- to disconnect my supply,ever goes ahead. So far not heard anything yet. I came across some info from a gas engineer who works for the industry dealing with disconnections.The Industry don't want us to know this info.So as it stands,if there is a bill outstanding for say gas,like mine apparently £1000, [tried to get it higher,damn] firstly they want to fit a pre-pay meter.Just by pure luck for me,they've been in twice,and CANNOT fit me one,no way,cos they would have to dig everything up.I made an official offer of £5 a month,that they've accepted as I've made 3 payments already via their payment card,so they're in dishonour anyway.So they say their only option is to apply for disconnection.Because most companies have a no -disconnect policy during winter,they wait till after March 21st,the official deadline,as Spring starts. THE INFO:- A property without a meter point admin number [mpan],OR a meter point reference number [mpr], OR if a bill has NEVER been received by those living there,OR [and this relates to me] if the property has had NO SUPPLY [ie Gas] for 3 months or longer,is called a "SHIPPERLESS",property.Yes,back to Maritime/ Admiralty sh#t again. Now cos ALL energy suppliers sh#t in the same pot,S.S.E. won't release me to another supplier,unless the debt is paid,or if the other Co.want to take me on,and transfer the debt to them.No company obviously is gonna take on a debtor.So they make us believe that we are trapped,and once disconnected,no-one will then take us on.It's bollox. So after 3 months of no supply,I am then free to choose ANY other supplier of my choice,and my property is classed as shipperless.Well,I have an electric w/machine,dishwasher,and an electric shower in my bathroom.My pal can fit me a small £25 electric water heater for my sink/taps.It's not gonna kill me and the kids if we DO get disconnected.Now this shipperless thing works for all services.Obviously having no-electric,is too difficult to get through for 3 months,even if it is Spring/Summer. Water -CANNOT be disconnected anyway,cos of human rights. So I checked out the meaning of "shipperless" in Black's Law.They have a definition of "Shipper". SHIPPER - "One who ships goods to another".- "One who contracts with a carrier for the transportation of cargo". LEGAL- The shipper may not be the person who owns the cargo,but an agent or independent contractor. So,in summing up,my property 3 months after disconnection will be shipperless, ie no-one contracted to supply,or "ship" goods,[in this case,gas] to it.This therefore leaves it wide open and free,for me to seek a NEW and fresh supplier [shipper] to begin a whole new contract,if I so desire,with NO ties to any old or previous liabilities under any OLD contracts or agreements. P.S. I'm sending off A4V for the £1000 bill at the moment,am pushing the "Official Offer" stance,AND if these don't work,I'll be going to "pretend court",using the TRUST relationship,to dismiss ANY application for warrant of entry-for disconnection.If ALL these fail,I'll just adapt for the next 3 months and then start again.I have managed about £3,150 in the last 3 years without paying a penny so far for gas,so I can't complain any way,can I? Thanks all for any interest and will keep this site posted of the progress. Cheers

[deethebee]

Hey Rob,

Can I just ask, with all the debt were you just ignoring the bills? Or were you doing anything from this site to get out of paying them? I don't think I could go as far as to allow my supply to get disconnected. Did you not try the denied rights of access with them when they wanted to install a pre payment meter? Or does a warrant override this? I thought it could only be enforced if the warrant was signed...

[Enough]

I think Rob's gone done all the routes he can but if he's the only one marching out of tune in the fraud courts then the railroad moves in...


Lambchop

[robfreeman]

Yeah chaps actually I'm a tw#t !I'd already got a pal whose a gas engineer to check out my house, and he told me 2 yrs ago that they could NEVER fit a pre-pay meter.So then my plan was to push the boundaries of everything possible in terms of defence/attack in order to help others.So I'm kind of a human experiment,[please see my other posts].How are we ever gonna find a remedy if we don't take it to the limits? So I let em in with a fake crappy pretend warrant,in order to extract info from em,and be seen to be trying to work with em. I attend court trying different things,but only when somebody wants to enter my home,and am trying to use the A4V off this site that I think will be spot on.I will only ever back-down if it's detrimental to my children,as my mortgage was 9 days before xmas,and I compromised with them,otherwise how are we ever gonna know just what's working,what's not,and what's just bullsh#t,or disinformation.

[deethebee]

So you haven't tried using promissory notes before? I'm just wondering that if they refuse A4V if they can still apply to fit a pre payment meter or is it only if you refuse to pay? See the Bills of Exchange act has been changed by parliament and even though the original is the one with all the loopholes, the courts might say the one that applies to us is the current one. The current one doesn't mention a4V as far as I'm aware...

[robfreeman]

No,I've tried A4V before, [I didn't indorse the back of the BCG though] but not tried creating my own prom notes until now.

[joshincommerce]

I AFV'd all my utilities, but I didn't use prom notes. My understanding is that they cannot disconnect you i.e. electric as they do not own the infrastructure that brings the power to your house, all they own is the meter. In my experience they conned me into thinking they were going to a magistrates court to get a warrant of entry in order to fit a pre-pay meter. I served a Stat Dec into the court which arrived 6 days late even though recorded - convenient eh? They came and under duress I opened my garage to allow them access to my meter (I had encased the meter box in steel bolted through my garage wall) They fitted the pre-pay and three weeks later I had it taken out and my own meter fitted. I served the electric co a notice to that effect and I never heard from them again.

I also contacted the Mag Court to ask why they had ignored my Stat Dec and they informed that no case or hearing had taken place - it was all a bluff - total bollocks.

[deethebee]

So does this mean that even using A4V doesn't work? They can still take us to court even though it's supposed to be an acceptable method of payment?

[robfreeman]

Josh,I've already got an electric pre-pay meter from 5 yrs ago that had a debt run up by my ex-missus,before she left.I've served em notices telling that I'm gonna take it out too.They told me western power owns the major cables [obviously no disclosure so no contract with me].Time is up for em,and I'm gonna take out their pre-pay,and I have em in tacit that I'll charge em £100 per day storage charge.Where did you get your meter from pal? Was it easy to obtain? Can they disconnect from outside the property,or do they have to enter to take out main cut-out fuse? Would appreciate the help bro.Thanks.

[joshincommerce]

You can get meters online. I bought one called a TINY meter, they're ofgem rated LOL.

As for the fitting you'll have to do it via a friend of a friend so that the sparks can come and you don't know who he is, and just make it worth their while, I paid my fella £80 or so.