Response from British Gas to A4V...?

[deethebee]

Hi HMTQ,

I've read the Bills of Exchange Act, although I do admit I find the language in it very hard to understand! I do understand about the acceptable forms of payment, but if we are doing something legal according to the BOEA, then why aren't companies acknowledging the payments? I mean, I know people say the game would be up if they did accept the payment but we have pointed out to them that what we are doing is perfectly legal.

I also understand about them being able to monetise promissory notes - I just don't get why they don't just acknowledge the payment. As long as they're getting what they want why does it matter? And another thing I don't understand is that if they can monetise promissory notes so easily, what's stopping them from just getting someone to send them a promissory note for £1m or whatever number they want...sorry, I have a lot of questions. I find it hard to get involved in things properly unless I understand things fully.

Gadgy, I'm not sure what you mean about service providers paying my fee schedule...what service providers? I've been thinking of ways to get money out of companies' errors, but I'm not very good at writing up notices etc...

[hermajestythequeen]

All the major corporations are run by occultists who understand that in order to keep order (in their view) they have to keep the populace in debt.
The people below them have been subjected to mind control so wouldnt even entertain that your method of payment is acceptable.

I would address all your notices and payments to the chief financial officer and mark it private and confidential in big all caps.

They know the score and can be held "accountable" and cannot wriggle out, hence why they never respond.

If anyone else answers ask them why the cfo is not answering, have they seen your notice and payment and if not that constitutes mail fraud so please direct to the cfo.

Dont worry that they are not acknowledging payment, its irrelevant what anyone below the cfo thinks.

[deethebee]

I addressed my payment to the CEO/MD - that's what Ceylon said to do. But you're saying addressing to the CFO is better? It's hard to find those details but I can give it a go.

The thing that does bother me about these promissory notes is something I've mentioned in a thread before. We're using a legal document (Bills of Exchange Act) and instrument against these corporations, but the promissory note doesn't meet all the criteria as mentioned on BOEA e.g. to give a date by when it shall be paid or to say "on demand of the bearer". Therefore, surely our promissory notes can't even be used as a legal instrument without meeting all the criteria? This is what I worry about and what confuses me and I'm sorry that I keep going on about it. I don't want to get caught out with this argument at some point in the future and not know what to say...

[deethebee]

Had a 2nd letter come through from British Gas this morning, I'm sure people will recognise the response. However, they have completely ignored everything I said in my letter to them and have said they are going to send debt collectors after me and will notify credit referencing agencies of my non payment. They also said they're aware of A4V as they've accepted a number of identical letters. They say their solicitors have investigated and concluded that the payment form is invalid.

So even though I told them to return the giro slip and promissory note if they don't accept this form of payment they haven't. They've ignored what I said about Bills of Exchange etc.

So it doesn't matter that we are right and they are wrong - the only way we are going to win is by ending up in court and that's not something I want to do. Does anyone know what sort of response I'm supposed to send to this??

[exdrogadgy]

"They also said they're aware of A4V as they've accepted a number of identical letters. They say their solicitors have investigated and concluded that the payment form is invalid.

So even though I told them to return the giro slip and promissory note if they don't accept this form of payment they haven't. They've ignored what I said about Bills of Exchange etc."

Hi deethebee

That's why they never send the payment methods back because they are stuck and their responses are the way they are because they know they are committing fraud. They cash them both without delay.That's why the letters are so effective. I am sure Ceylon or A.N. other will come on and give advice to you sometime today. If you are worried then maybe at some stage in the very near future you will lose the fear. Again, to threaten you with Court would be just another one of their fear mechanisms-it will not get to court but if it does then they will lose. If the fear does get to you, then you can always pay the bill and the fear is removed.

Gadgy

[deethebee]

But I don't want them to be able to get away with saying that stuff, not providing any proof or returning the payment and then still sending debt collectors and such after us! It's not so much about the fear...it's more the fact that I'm putting in all this time and effort and seemingly getting nowhere.

I've constructed this response, can people tell me what they think of this type of response?

"30th March 2012


Dear Shane,

RE: reference no *****

Thank you for your letter dated 28th March 2012.

I would like to draw your attention to the points I set out in my initial notice to Phil Bentley when I sent my payment:

1. Should you not accept this form of payment then you should return both the Bank Giro Credit and the promissory note with a written explanation as to why you do not accept this payment method and I quoted the legal documents that state that this is a perfectly acceptable method of payment.
2. If you decide not to return the Bank Giro Credit and the promissory note then it is understood that you have accepted this method of payment.

Since you have neither returned the Bank Giro Credit and promissory note nor given a reasonable explanation as to why you do not believe this to be a perfectly acceptable payment method then – as pointed out in my notice of 21st March – we are in agreement that the bill has been paid in full.

I will, however, allow you a further ten (10) days from the date of this letter to return both the Bank Giro Credit and the promissory note with a full explanation as to why you do not believe this to be an acceptable method of payment. Should you fail to do so, you will be in agreement of the following terms:

1. The debt has been paid in full;
2. That any damages I suffer, you will be held culpable;
3. That any negative remarks made to a credit reference agency will be removed;
4. That you will pursue this matter no further;
5. You agree to pay all fee schedules.

My fee schedule is as follows:
• £30 per letter sent to yourselves
• £50 per invalid claim made by yourselves
• £50 per letter received from debt recovery agents
• £100 per letter from yourselves failing to provide me with sufficient evidence that my method of payment is not valid.

I look forward to hearing from you.


Yours faithfully,



No assured value, No liability. Errors & Omissions Excepted. All Rights Reserved.

WITHOUT RECOURSE – NON-ASSUMPSIT
Calls maybe recorded "

[guardianofwithinaolcom]

Hi Dee. It looks pretty good. I would think adding Nunc pro tunc (now from then) would be a good idea, thereby being able to go back to day one, your first letter, and bill them for everything from that time forward, even at your fee schedule rate it could return a pretty nice sum of money back to you if it came to court and they lost. It might also make them think a bit harder about what tack they are using on you, The bigger the bill, the more they are unlikely to want to challenge it at a later date. Just my thoughts on it. I guess you could also say that due to the rise in the cost of living you have now decided to increase your fee schedule. They do it, so can you. You could also introduce late fees, for interest incurred whilst waiting for payment. Some companies charge extortionate amounts in interest. Remember this is commerce you are acting in business mode.

[WorldElite]

You could include the hmrc thing that Ceylon posted you know this http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/ihtmanual/ihtm19120.htm just a thought, to give your notice even more wait maybe.

But great notice covers everything.

[guardianofwithinaolcom]

Cheers World Elite, I just saved that link to my favorites.

[Enough]

Also make sure you get YOUR bank giro and p. note back not copies