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Postby zark » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:40 pm

dun dun darrrrr

courts of record
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/201 ... 17/enacted
(2)The county court is to be a court of record and have a seal.”


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/201 ... view=plain

The new section A1(2) provides for the single county court to be a court of record with a seal. This again mirrors the position for the individual county courts at present (each of which is in its own right a court of record with its own seal), but on a national basis for the single court, with a single seal.


the explanatory notes are very interesting as they say that county courts, at present, are a court of record.

might be a nice little addition to any paperwork as it dissolves queries about legitimacy. use Blacks Law 4th ed not the 5th

obviously the facists are reigning in control over individual courts but still have to allow for a court of record. this is the statutory court of administration but never-the-less a court of record it is stated.
the county has been bankrupt for decades any demand for payment is fraud
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Re: All county courts are ...

Postby mareo » Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:05 pm

Would that apply to Northampton County Court Bulk Clearing Center too?

or

is it a case of invoking by way of contesting jurisdiction and the claimants right to make claim?

does not the claimant create court & choose the laws of claimants court?

so

would it not be way cool to challenge by way of counter claiming creating a sovereigns court of record?

or

Return To Sender :lol: :lol:

and lastly, IS there a difference between County Court & county court,,,hmm?

Where's the Kings Bench when you want one :lol: ;)

Court of Record
1. generally has a seal
2. power to fine or imprison for contempt
3. keeps a record of the proceedings
4. proceeding according to the common law (not statutes or codes)
5. the tribunal is independent of the magistrate (judge)

Note that a judge is a magistrate and is not the tribunal.
The tribunal is either the sovereign himself, or a fully
empowered jury (not paid by the government)

hold the front page, more cutting & pastings


Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed., 425, 426

COURT. ...

INTERNATIONAL LAW

The person and suite of the sovereign; the place where the
sovereign sojourns with his regal retinue, wherever that may be.
....

CLASSIFICATION

Courts may be classified and divided according to several
methods, the following being the more usual:

COURTS OF RECORD and COURTS NOT OF RECORD. The former being
those whose acts and judicial proceedings are enrolled, or
recorded, for a perpetual memory and testimony, and which have
power to fine or imprison for contempt. Error lies to their
judgments, and they generally possess a seal. Courts not of
record are those of inferior dignity, which have no power to fine
or imprison, and in which the proceedings are not enrolled or
recorded.

A "court of record" is a judicial tribunal having attributes
and exercising functions independently of the person of the
magistrate designated generally to hold it, and proceeding
according to the course of common law, its acts and proceedings
being enrolled for a perpetual memorial.

http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/courtrec.htm Snap
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Re: All county courts are ...

Postby zark » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:44 pm

hiya Mareo;

1) the Courts Act says County Court .. the Northampton County Court Bulk Centre is claiming to be a county court? well, who am i to question that if i am counter-claiming?
2) no, Northampton CCBC can be in County Court as an inferior court and nothing can force you into it .. unless of course you fill in the Defence form with Northampton CCBC in the top righthand box .. but that would be stupid shurley
3) a counter-claim in a court of record does by default challenge jurisdiction
4) the claimant exceeding its jurisdiction has committed tresspass and as such is liable instantly for damages [same principle as the template letters]
5) call it a sovereigns court of record or not, the act already clearly states that ALL county courts are courts of record. It is duly fact.
6) return to sender --- yeah fine, but as it is clear the banks, dcas and solicitors are getting really really nasty a counter-claim if one is confident is a good way of attacking back.
7) Kings bench --- it is the regency whom is overseeing the system. i would consider the Kings bench another abuse of power and submitting to such a court is spitting on ones own rights > magna carta
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Postby mareo » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:14 pm

Hello Zarkie,

looks like someone needs more study regarding court of record :oops:
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Re: All county courts are ...

Postby zark » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:28 pm

proceeding according to the common law

see, those are my laws which i would decree in the counter-claim q.e.d

yours could be different

the Northhampton Count Court BC is an interesting one whether to allow them the 'county court' and wait for them to call foul or even decree in the counter-claim that they must offer under penalty of perjury signature attesting to being a county court under the courts act
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Re: All county courts are ...

Postby smilingalltheway » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:44 pm

nice one zarkie, that link has been posted many times before

and with regards to NBCCC being a court of record, have been thinking along those lines also....
only recently however


also only recently realised that the contesting of jurisdiction was of the plaintiff etc, / co defendant

originally thought it was the county courts jurisdiction we were contesting in a court of record.


after reading shultz link it became clear


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Postby smilingalltheway » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:46 pm

NBCC has a seal on it's paperwork.....

and it's the other party bringing the court of record.....
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Postby smilingalltheway » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:50 pm

btw zarkie, have you seen the NBCC claim form

it actually states

If you wish to counterclaim....... :lol:


thats definately a court of record, think my mind is made up....
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Postby mareo » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:06 pm

But 'if all county's are to have a county court', why then has Northampton Two?

Either ways, the claimant makes the rules, the law, the court, and is successful if no objections as to jurisdiction of a legal fiction (claimant) making rules, laws, courts is made, so smilley you is correct, rebut the / object to jurisdiction thereby the claimant becomes a defendant in his own claim & the defendant is now the claimant in his own court, using his laws stipulated as a sovereign, judgy becomes a recorder and is not the tribunal, so ole judgy can be held in contempt of court for interfering or challenging the integrity of the court, court being a court of record being conducted by the sovereign who wishes and does not issue orders.

but all paperwork has to be up front, there is no room for discovery of evidence, different ball game that.
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Re: All county courts are ...

Postby zark » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:17 pm

no no, the new act is removing county courts by district as set by the chancellor

there is now a court in england and wales called the county court.

its centralisation of power [sic] facism.
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